The table below shows how the casino odds (or payoff odds) compare to the Place bet's true odds. If you need to review our other article about basic craps math, now is a good time to do it. For example, if you don't understand why the numbers are paired, ten you should go back and review the basic craps math. An 'odds bet' (i.e. 'free odds bet') is a type of craps bet (described in Part I) available to line bettors after the shooter establishes a point. The 'odds in favor of' or the 'odds against' an event are ways to measure how likely it is for that event to occur.
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I've recently started playing craps. I bet pass line with full odds, and once the point is set, I bet the come with full odds when that new point is set & continue doing this until I crap out. (The tax professor who taught me craps calls this 'turbo craps')
The question I have is this: Ordinarily, after an original pass line point is made, the odds on my come bets are not 'working' until a new point is established. However, I can tell the dealer that I want my odds 'working.'
My assumption is that since the casino default is that the odds are not working, it's to my advantage to have them working.
Is that correct? Does it matter how many come bets I have up at the time?
Thanks for your thoughts.
Personally, since dealers are constantly changing, I dislike having to tell each and every one of them each time I want them working. Perhaps if there isn't a lot of noise etc at the table it might be more practical.
Great site & especially love the Wizard of Odds site - I use the basics to impress my friends with my knowledge of probability & refer them to it when they ask me questions too hard for me to answer.
I've recently started playing craps. I bet pass line with full odds, and once the point is set, I bet the come with full odds when that new point is set & continue doing this until I crap out.
I assume you mean 'seven out'. 'Crap out' means to lose on the comeout roll by rolling 2, 3 or 12. 'Seven out' is when you establish a point on the comeout roll and then roll a seven before your point. When you seven out, you lose any come bets that have gone to a point number, but win a bet still in the come area. 'Seven out, line away, pay the don't and the last come.'
The question I have is this: Ordinarily, after an original pass line point is made, the odds on my come bets are not 'working' until a new point is established. However, I can tell the dealer that I want my odds 'working.'
My assumption is that since the casino default is that the odds are not working, it's to my advantage to have them working.
Is that correct? Does it matter how many come bets I have up at the time?
Thanks for your thoughts.
Since the odds have a zero expectation, there is no mathematical reason to have them not working - or working, for that matter. OTOH, you might reason that, if the come odds are a good bet any time, they are a good bet on the pass comeout, as well. OTOOH, if you are 'rooting' for the seven on the pass comeout, you are also rooting against your come odds of they are working. OTOOOH, if you believe in DI, the shooter is probably using an 'all-sevens' set on the pass comeout.
I avoid come bets for two reasons: 1) I'd rather put my money on pass odds, which have zero expectation than on come, with negative expectation AND 2) I don't like the 'mixed feelings' of the pass comeout roll if I have come bets outstanding.
Reason 1 does not apply to you if you are already taking max odds on the pass. Once you reach max odds, the only way to win more is to increase your expected loss.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA
I assume you mean 'seven out'. 'Crap out' means to lose on the comeout roll by rolling 2, 3 or 12. 'Seven out' is when you establish a point on the comeout roll and then roll a seven before your point. When you seven out, you lose any come bets that have gone to a point number, but win a bet still in the come area. 'Seven out, line away, pay the don't and the last come.'
Yes, thanks for that - still new enough to not have all of the lingo down.
And thanks for your explanation - makes perfect sense to me.
I was thinking that if I had come bets up on 2 numbers (say 5 & 6) there are more chances at winning that bet than losing on one bet, but the same would not be true if I had only one bet up (anything without a bet being neutral).
And I often feel the same way you describe in #2 (the times I feel kinda smart when the come out roll pays out on my come odds bet are often outweighed by the times I feel stupid when all my come odds bets are lost with a come out 7.)
The trouble with your aggressive style of play is that you can get every point number covered and suddenly hear Seven Out .. happened to me and I still blame the dealer for it because she 'caused' it by saying 'you are all over the place'.
Part of the reason that your odds would be automatically 'off' on a comeout roll is that this saves the dealer having to take them down and put them back up again. I keep mine working.
I'm not sure what that means? When I'm working, the dealer puts a little plastic chip on one of my bets that says 'on.'
I agree - it sucks to lose when I have every number covered - especially if they haven't paid anything out before it happens. But I like the faster pace of the action.
Thanks for the comments.
I was thinking that if I had come bets up on 2 numbers (say 5 & 6) there are more chances at winning that bet than losing on one bet, but the same would not be true if I had only one bet up (anything without a bet being neutral).
There are more ways to win ONE of those bets than to lose BOTH.
More come bet terminology:
If you have a come 6, say and another come bet (in the come area) and the six is rolled, the dealer will just pay you and say, 'You're off and on'; or, if you have an odds bets, (s)he'll pay you the flat and the odds payoff and say 'You're off and on with odds'. This is on the assumption that you're going to make another come bet and avoids moving cheques around pointlessly. If you don't want to make another come bet, just pick up your checque(s) from the come area, before the dice are out.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Since the odds have a zero expectation, there is no mathematical reason to have them not working - or working, for that matter. OTOH, you might reason that, if the come odds are a good bet any time, they are a good bet on the pass comeout, as well. OTOOH, if you are 'rooting' for the seven on the pass comeout, you are also rooting against your come odds of they are working. OTOOOH, if you believe in DI, the shooter is probably using an 'all-sevens' set on the pass comeout.
I avoid come bets for two reasons: 1) I'd rather put my money on pass odds, which have zero expectation than on come, with negative expectation AND 2) I don't like the 'mixed feelings' of the pass comeout roll if I have come bets outstanding.
Reason 1 does not apply to you if you are already taking max odds on the pass. Once you reach max odds, the only way to win more is to increase your expected loss.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA
I assume you mean 'seven out'. 'Crap out' means to lose on the comeout roll by rolling 2, 3 or 12. 'Seven out' is when you establish a point on the comeout roll and then roll a seven before your point. When you seven out, you lose any come bets that have gone to a point number, but win a bet still in the come area. 'Seven out, line away, pay the don't and the last come.'
Yes, thanks for that - still new enough to not have all of the lingo down.
And thanks for your explanation - makes perfect sense to me.
I was thinking that if I had come bets up on 2 numbers (say 5 & 6) there are more chances at winning that bet than losing on one bet, but the same would not be true if I had only one bet up (anything without a bet being neutral).
And I often feel the same way you describe in #2 (the times I feel kinda smart when the come out roll pays out on my come odds bet are often outweighed by the times I feel stupid when all my come odds bets are lost with a come out 7.)
The trouble with your aggressive style of play is that you can get every point number covered and suddenly hear Seven Out .. happened to me and I still blame the dealer for it because she 'caused' it by saying 'you are all over the place'.
Part of the reason that your odds would be automatically 'off' on a comeout roll is that this saves the dealer having to take them down and put them back up again. I keep mine working.
I'm not sure what that means? When I'm working, the dealer puts a little plastic chip on one of my bets that says 'on.'
I agree - it sucks to lose when I have every number covered - especially if they haven't paid anything out before it happens. But I like the faster pace of the action.
Thanks for the comments.
I was thinking that if I had come bets up on 2 numbers (say 5 & 6) there are more chances at winning that bet than losing on one bet, but the same would not be true if I had only one bet up (anything without a bet being neutral).
There are more ways to win ONE of those bets than to lose BOTH.
More come bet terminology:
If you have a come 6, say and another come bet (in the come area) and the six is rolled, the dealer will just pay you and say, 'You're off and on'; or, if you have an odds bets, (s)he'll pay you the flat and the odds payoff and say 'You're off and on with odds'. This is on the assumption that you're going to make another come bet and avoids moving cheques around pointlessly. If you don't want to make another come bet, just pick up your checque(s) from the come area, before the dice are out.
Cheers,
Alan Shank
Woodland, CA
Part of the reason that your odds would be automatically 'off' on a comeout roll is that this saves the dealer having to take them down and put them back up again. I keep mine working.
I'm not sure what that means? When I'm working, the dealer puts a little plastic chip on one of my bets that says 'on.'Actually, that's why the puck says 'On' and 'Off', and why there are those little chips to indicate the opposite.
The last trip I only had come bets up 3x, and I lost 2 of them to 7 winners, and the other one was my point, so I got paid my odds. That was the first time I had been on the losing end though. All of the other sessions, I had gotten paid my odds more often than I lost the odds, so working the odds on the come out roll has been a good thing for me, so far.
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I've recently started playing craps. I bet pass line with full odds, and once the point is set, I bet the come with full odds when that new point is set & continue doing this until I crap out. (The tax professor who taught me craps calls this 'turbo craps')
I just started playing craps, my first time actually on my last Vegas trip. I play just as you do, betting on the passline and then every come bet before each roll. If I just make a passline bet and that's it I find it pretty boring just standing around waiting. The thing is that the way you and I play is fun but our bankrolls can go up and down pretty quickly.My assumption is that since the casino default is that the odds are not working, it's to my advantage to have them working.
Is that correct? Does it matter how many come bets I have up at the time?
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And here is the link to it:
WizardofOdds.com/Craps
Casinos can be intimidating and their games a little confusing, but here's a tip: The best bet on the craps table has no house edge, and it isn't shown anywhere on the layout. There's no mention of 'odds' on the table. You must have a Pass or Don't Pass bet to take odds on, but then you're on your own. European gambling mecca crossword. If you don't know about odds, you'll miss the best bet in the casino.
If you know how to play craps, you know that new shooters have to place a wager on the Pass or Don't Pass line. Once that new point of 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, or 10 is made, they can just keep shooting. The odds bet, the one that has zero house edge, isn't mandatory; it's optional.
The Pass Line always pays even money, but the real beauty of the Odds wager is that you are paid the true odds of the point rolling. To make the wager, simply place chips behind your original Pass Line bet on the craps layout. This wager can at least equal your Pass Line bet, so if you have an original wager of $10, put another $10 behind it to take odds. The amount you should wager depends on the point number.
If the point is 4, 5, 9, or 10, match your bet. If the point is 6 or 8, bet $6 in odds for every $5 you have on the Pass Line. When the shooter makes their point, you'll get a much bigger payoff.
Pass Line Odds Payoffs
If the point is:
- 4 or 10, you are paid 2 to 1 on your Odds wager.
- 5 or 9, you are paid 3 to 2 on your Odds wager.
- 6 or 8. you are paid 6 to 5 on your Odds wager.
Most casinos allow you to take double odds on you Pass Line bet. That means if you put $5 on the Pass Line, you could make an odds bet of $10.
Your Pass Line bet has a house edge of 1.41 percent. The Odds bet has no house edge, so by taking it you lower the house edge on your overall wagers. A Pass Line bet with single odds has a house edge of 0.85 percent and with double odds, the house edge drops to 0.61 percent.
Over the last few years, many casinos have allowed players to take larger odds bets. Some casinos compete with each other to see who can offer the highest odds, up to 100 times odds. Although this sounds great, it is impractical for average players to wager this much unless they have a very big bankroll.
3-4-5 Times Odds
To make things quick and easy for everyone, from the players to the dealers to the Box Men, many casinos have incorporated a simplified odds system in which they allow odds of only 3, 4, or 5 times a Pass Line wager. With this system, players are allowed to take three, four, or five times odds, depending on the point number. You can get odds on Come Bets too.
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- 4 or 10 you can take 3 times odds.
- 5 or 9, you can take 4 times odds.
- 6 or 8, you can take 5 times odds.
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